Anti-al Qaeda Base Envisioned

Here is the second post which is connected to the last one. Again, I found this on my friends blog, thank you Stefan. It is an article from The Washington Times, the link for this story is below. As always anything in ((and)) is my comment on the subject.

One other thing I want to say, completely off topic. I had this post already in the line up to put up. I had hoped to do some research over the last couple of days since this time of year finds most of us extremely busy until after New Year's Day. The series I am writing on takes a lot of research to get it right and cover everything. Anyway, on Saturday I started coming down with something, now its a full on head cold. The problem is, if it goes to my lungs, I could be in serious trouble. I have a preexisting lung problem and any other insult could not only cause me to have to go into the hospital, but it could kill me.

I'm telling you all this for two reasons; Number 1 is, I will do what I can with my blogs, but you know what its like when you have a head cold or don't feel well. #2 If I disappear for a week or so, it could be I am in the hospital, so just so you know, its not because I am quiting the blog.

Now, on with today's post:


Article published Sep 26, 2007an article from www.washingtontimes.com

By Willis Witter

Exiled Egyptian cleric Ahmed Subhy Mansour, whose teachings have earned him dozens of death “fatwas” from fellow Muslim clerics, uses the English translation for al Qaeda — meaning “the base” — to describe a plan to defeat Osama bin Laden and other terrorists, who he says have seized control of Islam.

”Suppose you have here [in the United States] a base to counter al Qaeda in the war of ideas?” Sheik Mansour asked during a recent luncheon at The Washington Times.

“You could convince a large number — millions of silent Muslims. We can convince them very easily that the real enemy is not the United States. It is not Israel. The real enemy is the dictators in the Muslim world and the culture of the Wahhabis and Muslim Brotherhood,” he said, referring to the dominant arbiters of Islamic orthodoxy in Saudi Arabia and Egypt respectively.

Sheik Mansour is the founder of a small Egyptian sect that is neither Sunni nor Shi”ite. They call themselves Quranists because they believe that the Koran represents the single authentic scripture of Islam. They especially anger Sunni Muslims by rejecting the Hadith and Sunna, purported sayings and traditions of the prophet Muhammad.

“Killing people just because they are not Muslims, they have a Hadith for this. To kill a Muslim like me after accusing him to be an ‘apostate,” they have a Hadith for this. To persecute the Jews, they have a Hadith for this.

“All this is garbage. It has nothing to do with Islam. It contradicts more than one-fourth of the Koranic verses,” Sheik Mansour said. ((one-fourth..Wow!))

A former professor of Islamic history at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, he was expelled in 1987 as the Muslim equivalent of a “heretic” and was briefly imprisoned by Egyptian authorities. After subsequent waves of persecution, he finally fled Egypt just months after the September 11, 2001, attacks and received political asylum in the United States the next year.

More recently, in May and June, Egyptian authorities arrested five leaders of the movement, including Sheik Mansour“s brother, on charges of “insulting Islam” and began investigations of 15 others, with the intent, he said, to destroy the entire movement.

From exile in the United States, he continues to attack the Islam of bin Laden and the Wahhabi Islam of Saudi Arabia that gave birth to bin Laden”s beliefs. Sheik Mansour also attacks the Islamist vision of Egypt”s Muslim Brotherhood, a group that rejects violence but shares the goal of a theocratic nationhood under Shariah, or Islamic law.

Though illegal in Egypt, the Brotherhood is allowed to operate openly in an uneasy truce with the government. Police round up its members whenever it delves too publicly in politics — for example, by holding anti-government demonstrations. But the Brotherhood”s interpretation of Shariah provides a benchmark for Egyptian law, which is based primarily on Shariah.

“We are not against the people. We are against this culture that will produce more and more generations of fanaticism. We go to the core of this culture and prove that it contradicts the Koran,” Sheik Mansour said.

“Few Americans understand that the battle against terrorism is a war of ideas,” Sheik Mansour said. “It is a war that is very different from the military in its tactics, its strategy and its weapons.

“Suicide bombings are just one aspect of this war. They brainwash young men to blow themselves up, to kill randomly. Our mission is to convince him, to undeceive them, to convince them that what he is doing is against Islam. He will lose his life and lose his afterlife as well.”
Sheik Mansour claims about 10,000 followers in Egypt who accept his teachings, many of whom are part of his extended family.

"We find Islam has the same values as the West: freedom, unlimited freedom of speech, justice, equality, loving, humanity, tolerance, mercy, everything. This is our version of Islam, and we argue that this is the core of Islam according to the Koran.” ((Somebody tell me why people who believe like this are so feared by the powers that be in Muslim nations??))

He and his sons operate the Quranic Center in Northern Virginia, which includes an elaborate Internet site in Arabic and English. On its Web site at www.ahl-alquran.com, the organization is republishing dozens of Sheik Mansour“s books and hundreds of articles he has written over the years. ((the english version http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/main.php))

The campaign is not without risk. One can find a sampling of fatwas, or edicts by other Muslim scholars against the Quranists, including one saying, “We have issued our commands to the soldiers of God to worship God by pouring out their blood and burning their homes.” ((those of you who live in the West, be thankful for your religious freedom))

Sheik Mansour said in response: “I do not care about my safety, but I do care about my persecuted people in Egypt.”

Paul Marshall, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute's Institute of Religious Freedom, said arrests of the Quranists reflect an attempt by Egypt's government to demonstrate its loyalty to Islam to fend off challenges from even more extreme Islamists who want to impose much harsher restrictions on the Arab world's most populous nation.

“These arrests are part of the Egyptian government’s double game in which it imprisons members of the Muslim Brotherhood when the latter appear to become too powerful, while simultaneously trying to appear Islamic itself and blunt the Brotherhood’s appeal by cracking down on religious reformers, who are very often also democracy activists,” Mr. Marshall wrote in a recent edition of the Weekly Standard.

The arrests of the Quranists received a brief mention in the latest annual report on International Religious Freedom by the State Department, which noted the arrests of five Quranists and defined the group as “a small group of Muslims who rely largely if not exclusively on the Qur’an as authoritative for Islam, to the exclusion of the prophetic traditions [Hadith] and other sources of Islamic law.”

One detainee told an Egyptian human rights investigator that he was beaten and threatened with rape by one interrogator, the State Department report says. ((This isn't the first time I've heard of this kind of punishment and interrogation torture. So here we have a man being persecuted, because he is considered a heretic towards Islam, and we have some Muslims, torturing him and others... Please somebody tell me how one man raping another, or if a man rapes a woman ... how 'Islamic' is that?? How is torture in any form Islamic??))

Since arriving in the states, Sheik Mansour has held a number of academic posts. In 2002, he was a Reagan-Fascell Fellow at the National Endowment for Democracy in Washington, where he wrote on the roots of democracy in Islam.

The next year, he received a visiting fellowship at Harvard Law School”s Human Rights Program.

He also briefly met Karen P. Hughes, the undersecretary of state for public diplomacy, last year in the office of Rep. Frank R. Wolf, Virginia Republican.The meeting, Sheik Mansour said, lasted for 10 minutes, barely enough for polite introductions.

“I said: ‘Please, let me sit down with you for more time. I have big plan,” ” he recalled. But there was no follow-up.

“We need official American help for our arrested people in Egypt,” he said. “We don”t want money. We are talking about releasing our arrested people, saving the lives of scholars, bringing them to the U.S., granting them asylum to help establish this new base for moderate Islam.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070926/FOREIGN/109260030/1003

No Compulsion... As Long As You Believe Like Me...

As we are going into Thanksgiving and I am very busy during this time of the year; I was afraid I wouldn't be able to get at least 3 posts out this week. I won't be putting up one on the topic I am currently working on however I found this on my friends blog. We will get back to the other series the first of the week (hopefully). But this post and the next one is just as informative and interesting as the series we are in, so I really want everyone to read it and the next one.

This article is written by Ahmed Mansour, and tells you some of the beliefs of these people who are being persecuted for not believing the same way as the powers that be. I am printing it in it's entirety here, but you can also find it here. Again, thank you Stefan for printing great stuff that I can share with others. I thought it was very interesting and worthwhile reading for all. Since I have 5 blogs, what better way to get this out there. There is a part 2 to this which I will put up by Friday or Saturday. Actually I think this post should be the second part, but I am putting it up first.

Again remember there is no compulsion in Islam... as long as you worship and/or believe the way your told. Anything else is subject to discrimination, jail, or death. Even if, or rather, especially if, you are a Muslim in a Muslim nation.

In the early 1990’s, I was invited by the Egyptian association for religious brotherhood to lecture in a church in Cairo to Muslims and Christians about tolerance. I was warned that there was a suspicious bearded man waiting for me in front of the church.We talked. He told me that he had spent two months trying to meet me. He told me that he had been a member of secret fanatic organization and was assigned to rebut my discourse, but that my words had changed his and his family’s life. He asked me to join my weekly Friday prayer meeting at my home, and if possible bring his family.

After a month they became Quranists.

Who are the Quranists?

The Quranists are intellectual Muslims who believe in Islam as the religion of freedom, democracy, tolerance, justice, peace and human rights. They fight the terrorists’ culture from within Islam, using Quran as the only source of legislation.

Why they are persecuted?

The Quranic movement started in 1979 by sincere Muslim scholars who specialized in the contradiction between the true Islam and the Culture of Muslims. Therefore they were victimized by terrorists and fanatic scholars.Being activists for human rights and democracy, and calling for peaceful reform from within Islam, the Quranists are also victimized by the Egyptian regime.

The Egyptian regime and Muslim Brothers are against each other but are usually united against Quranists.

Brief overview of the persecution of Quranists:

The Quranists have suffered three waves of arrest; in 1987, 2000-2001, and finally the third wave starting May 28th, 2007, when five of the Quranists were arrested, tortured for 37 days, interrogated, and suffered ridiculous accusations about their faith and prayers.

Their families were also persecuted in Egypt. Some moved to Upper Egypt and some stayed indoors. The Muslim Brothers used mosques, media and the education system, as well as their control of the streets to try to tarnish the Quranists as ardent enemies of Islam.

After the Egyptian regime officially accused the Quranists of insulting Islam, fanatics used the accusation to call for the Quranists’ death.

The five Quranists have been released in October 6, 2007, after more than four months in prison. Because of torture, my brother Abdellateef had to undergo surgery in his ear. Amr Tharwat needed surgery on his leg, while Ahmed Dahmash has damage in his backbone. The persecution continues. Every week, they must go to the same prison to be interrogated and humiliated by the security services. Any time they may be arrested and tortured again. They are ordered to pray the weekly Friday prayer in fanatic mosques, and are not allowed to contact me, or to write in our site.

In this way he Egyptian regime is seeking to make an example for the rest and keep the Quranists from continuing their reform movement.

Persecution in some detail:

As an assistant professor at Al-Azhar University, the oldest and most famous religious university in the Sunni Muslim world, I wrote five books in 1985 to reform Sunni religious life.. I was accused of being against Islam because I denied the intercession of the prophet Muhammad in the day of judgment, deny his infallibility, and deny that he is the best and the master of all the prophets. In March 1987, I was fired.In November 1987, I was arrested, along with 24 of my followers, and accused of being a denier of the Sunna, the sayings and the deeds of the prophet Muhammad. The government claimed that my writing were a call for Muslims to abandon Islam. After two months I was released.

To save my life, I escaped to the United States. When I returned to Egypt in October 1988 I was again arrested, and released after two days on the condition that I not defend myself whenever the fanatics of Al Azhar attacked me. In the period 1988-1995, I was attacked so severely, and received death threats so that I asked for court protection. From January 1996 until June 2000 I worked at the Ibn Khaldun Center as a Muslim scholar and moderator of the Center’s weekly forum. The Center is run by Dr. Saad Eddin Ibrahim, the famous sociologist, and leader of the movement for human rights, civil society and liberal culture in the Arab world. As an American citizen and part-time counselor of President Mubarak, Dr. Ibrahim has had great influence in Egypt in the 1990s.

My life was in real danger after I wrote a book as a project for the Center on reforming the Egyptian education system to make it more tolerant. I was severely attacked in the Egyptian parliament.

As a result of problems between Dr. Ibrahim and President Mubarak, Dr. Ibrahim was arrested in June 2000 and the Center shut down. Since I was in serious danger, and some of my relatives had been arrested, I contacted and explained the situation to officials in the US embassy.

The security service kept us constantly in a state of terror. They arrested more members of my family in my village. Finally they arrested some of my friends who used to attend my weekly prayer at home. One told me that he expected them to arrest both of us along with more of my relatives. He said they would as usual force my friends to make false accusations about me and so I fled to the US on October, 15, 2001. (This is reviewed in the U. S Department of State’s 2002 International Religious Freedom Report)

Since coming to the U.S, I have found the same Wahabi influence, and founded the International Quranic Center, with a website, to organize Quranists.

So, we suffer the third wave of arrest.

For more details:

http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=126

http://www.ahl-alquran.com/arabic/show_article.php?main_id=2048

How could the Quranists help the U.S in this war of ideas against the terrorists?

The war against terrorism is 90% war of ideas. This intellectual war has its unique aspects and rules. The Quranists are an Islamic group capable of defending the U.S in this ideological war against terrorism. Al Qaeda and all the terrorist organizations have real power in the war of ideas.

But they cannot debate us with logic and evidence, so they resort to brute force, with government accomplices. So we are jailed, tortured, driven from out homes and made refugees in other countries. They issue fatwas calling for our death; thus proving once more that the Wahabi ideology cannot stand on its own feet, but requires the power of authorities to force it on people.

The only way to confront and defeat Wahabis is by using our ways and methods. We are Muslims, sincere about our faith and very much attached to and adhered to the Quran, and for the past thirty years, we never wavered, never retreated, we stood alone and stood firm, and despite the persecution and the lack of means, we managed to succeed in producing a genuine change in the Islamic interpretation and practices among many Muslims.

In conclusion, despite many successes, we are still victims of the Wahabi ideology and persecution of a tyrannical regime in Egypt on one hand, and a total neglect and disregard from the American institutions on the other hand.

http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=2614

See :

Egyptian Human Rights Activist Saad Eddin Ibrahim Defies Threats, Arrests to Challenge U.S.-Backed Mubarak Government

And my next post, if you just can't wait. Or rather my copy/paste of Stefan's post lol. Oh well, it is a holiday after all.

10,000 Deadly Terror Attacks Since 9/11/2001

I just noticed we have gone over 10,000 deadly terror attacks since 9/11/2001. Did anyone see this milestone in the main stream Media?? The same media that touts and broadcasts any milestone in American solder deaths???

10,000 deadly terror attacks since 9/11, 10,000 in 6 years people. But those who carry on everytime our brave soldiers deaths reach 100; say NOTHING!!! Don’t get me wrong, I love our brave young men and women, they are true hero’s and I can never say thank you enough. But they KNOW who and what we are fighting. It’s too bad our politicians and our ‘fair’ news channels don’t.

How many people have died in those 10,000 terror attacks?? Maybe that is what should be counted instead of the number of attacks, put up the total number of victims by these animals. And while doing that, put up the number of Muslims in those victims. Because I can guarantee you will find they are the main victim. Osama must be so proud.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

This Is Not Us or Yeh Hum Naheen

I’ve been waiting to get a copy of this video for a little while now, its finally out. This is a group of Muslims, who share their thoughts on those who are defiling Islam. And what Islam is to them. Personally, I think its great, what do you think??

A Question Of Righteousness

I want to share some word for word communication I have had recently with a jihadist website. And I would really like it if the Muslims here would read it. I think you might find it enlightening. When I copy/paste the comments from Muslims I have talked too, I will merely refer to them as “Muslim” instead of their user name. Its a little long but worth the read.
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My comment,
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It may be that Allah will grant affection (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For Allah has power (over all things), and Allah is Forgiving, Most Merciful.-AL-MUMTAHANA The WOMAN TO BE EXAMINED - SURAH LX:7
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See, that’s exactly how I see the One, I worship, He has power over all things, and is forgiving and merciful. And I love Him because He love me, better yet, I feel the same way that Job did when he said, “though He slay me, yet will I trust Him”.
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I have seen in other posts that you feel that others won’t accept you until you believe as they do.
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“And the Jews and Christians will never be pleased with you until you follow their way…” [al-Baqarah; 120]
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I can tell you and anyone who reads this, that statement is NOT true.
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I don’t care who you worship, and I know that most others, feel the same way. I would NEVER support anyone or anything that would cause one to change their faith by force, or to discriminate against someone because of their faith. It appears to me that you really don’t have a true understanding of how we, as Christians think.
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I believe that faith, is a personal journey, that we should all be free to take, or not, if that is someones wish. That is why God has given us free will.
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Reject hate, embrace love. Bring out the best in Islam by showing your compassion, gratitude and forgiveness. This is the best way to bring other to wanting to participate in any religion. Personally, I became a Christian based on the joy I saw in other peoples lives, I wanted that joy.
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Response from Muslim:
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This verse is not a commandment (Amr) in any way, shape or form. In fact, you need to look at verse 4 of the same Chapter to understand the verse you quoted above. It says,
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Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people: “Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone…”
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So the meaning of the verse you quoted is, “You continue to show them open disavowal, and know that Allah can guide them to Islam through your exposing of their falsehood (since this is a part of showing open disavowal) and they will be your friends.”
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[ I just have to interject here, and point out the difference between, how a Christian trys to bring someone into the faith, through genuine love and friendship. And how these Muslims do, which appears to be with contempt ]
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You wrote: “I have seen in other post that you feel that others won’t accept you until you believe as they do. “And the Jews and Christians will never be pleased with you until you follow their way…
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No, the verse is true. Here, let me ask you a simple question. Do you support the Mujaahideen against your own people and do you wish for their victory?
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In any case, the Arabic word in this verse is “Millah” meaning “path, way of life, lifestyle etc” So the ending part of the verse is, “until you follow their way of life.”
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If you were to meet someone like me, you would either hate me and respect me at the same time, or hate me and wouldn’t respect me. Why? Because I will show open disavowal to you and will continue to do so, even if you are annoyed by it, until you become Muslim.
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Also, I don’t act like a disbeliever, talk like a disbeliever, walk like a disbeliever, dress like a disbeliever and so on. Many people hate that, but I love it because I live for Allah and I will continue to make sure that the disbelievers who know or see me don’t accept me.
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This verse you quoted has nothing to do with the actual Religion. In other words, it is not strictly saying, “until you follow their Religion” since Allah would have used the appropriate term for Religion which is Madhab. Instead, He wisely chose the word “Millah” since its all-encompassing of the lifestyle, path, etc. of disbelievers.
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Eagle’s response:
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It still appears to me that you really don’t have a true understanding of how we, as Christians, think.
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You said: “If you were someone like me, you would either hate me and respect me at the same time, or hate me and wouldn’t respect me. Why? Because I will show open disavowal to you and will continue to do so, even if you are annoyed by it, until you become Muslim.
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A true Christian, hate sin, but loves the sinner. Which means, what it says. A Christian should always speak with love, (though I have trouble with that myself sometimes), regardless of what is spoken too them. Most true Christians, know this and try to live by the words of Christ, we are not perfect, we are forgiven.
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So, I don’t hate you, or disrespect you. I understand that you think your way is the only way. I feel the same way about Christ. I think one of the main differences, between you and I, are how we choose to share our faith. And I stand by what I said above. Tell me why you think that is wrong. BTW, I am not claiming to be an expert on Islam, I am merely trying to understand.
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You asked if I supported the Mujaahideen against my own people, and do I wish for the Mujaahideen’s victory? I already answered that….
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I would NEVER support anyone or anything that would cause one to change their faith by force, or to discriminate against someone because of their faith. That includes, anyone who tried to force YOU to change your faith, or discriminated against you because of it.
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As far as “Millah” There are many different ways of life, and most of them, I don’t subscribe to either. As any person of faith, we lead our life based on our understanding of the scripture. But we don’t force our belief on others, or hate them if they don’t walk and talk the way we do. (see statement above)
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I believe that faith, is a personal journey, that we should all be free to take, or not, if that is someones wish, that is why God has given us free will.
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I think God wants us to come to Him out of love, not out of fear. Do you believe this??
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Reject hate, embrace love. Bring out the best in Islam by showing your compassion, gratitude and forgiveness. What do you see in this statement that is wrong??
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This is the best way to bring others to wanting to participate in any religion. Personally, I became a Christian based on the joy I saw in others lives, I wanted that joy.
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Why do you share your faith?? Is it out of love?? Do you share your faith based on the fact that you love the person you are sharing with, and want them to go to Heaven with you?? Do you believe, that God is longsuffering, not wishing that any should perish??
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Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God has forgiven you. Do you believe this statement??
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(after post was erased 3 times, I re-posted the entire comment and added the following)
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If you feel that I have disrespected you in anyway, please forgive me, that is not my intent. I have read everything you have written in an attempt to understand your point of view and in an attempt for you to see mine. Is that not the reason you have comment sections?? I really do want you to answer my questions sincerely. Please don’t just erase it.
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Muslim response:
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Look eagle,
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You are wasting your time. The simple answer to your above statements is:
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We will continue to show open disavowal and enmity to you and your people until you become Muslim because we believe that you, the disbeliever, are the people of hellfire (unless if you become Muslim) and so we will treat you like such. And if you become Muslim, then you will become one of us and we will show mercy, compassion, and love for you and you will be a part of the universal brotherhood.
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If you are inquiring as to us dealing justly with you, the answer is yes and we will deal with you justly.
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If you are inquiring as to us being nice with you, the answer is we are not forbidden from acting nice with you, and nor are we forbidden from acting harsh with you. You are a disbeliever and we actually believe it. That’s the difference between us and you. You people don’t follow your Religion whereas we try to follow it to the teeth. A disbeliever has an evil presence because of their disbelief.
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Your “Millah” is what you follow and whatever it is that you follow, we reject it because it is not Islam.
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You didn’t answer my question about the Mujaahideen. Do you support them? If not, then stop wasting your time because we support them, even if you hate it.

You wrote,
“I think God wants us to come to Him out of love, not out of fear. Do you believe this??”
Allah will accept their Islam as long as he/she accepts Islam. It doesn’t matter if they were brought into Islam harshly or softly. As long as they accept it by the heart, Allah accepts it.
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And nobody is forcing you to change your faith. But we do have a concern regarding your disbelief and that is why we expose it. And blasphemy only deserves harshness.
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You wrote,
“Reject hate, embrace love. Bring out the best in Islam by showing your compassion, gratitude and forgiveness. What do you see in this statement that is wrong??”
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It is wrong because Islam is balanced with hatred and love whereas you people rejected hatred. Since you rejected hatred, then it means you people love what your god hates; and what does your god hate?
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I wonder if you’ll even admit if he hates anything.
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If not, then we’ll assume that he loves prostitution, adultery, rape, alcohol, pornography, murder, oppression, cheating, stealing, and arrogance.
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And we are assuming that your god doesn’t reject this (since he has no hatred for this evil) because “Christianity is all about love,” right?
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That’s why your religion has no balance. You people are too afraid to speak about hatred. You people can’t even hate what god hates because your cowardice has taken over your steadfastness. You are not ready to face trials and tribulations for loving what god loves and hating what god hates, and showing it openly. This goes for the vast majority of Christians.
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You wrote,
“Why do you share your faith?? Is it out of love?? Do you share your faith based on the fact that you love the person you are sharing with and want them to go to Heaven with you?? Do you believe, that God is longsuffering, not wishing that any should perish??”
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We share our faith not to convert people like your missionaries. Rather, we share our faith to inform the people of the only truth. And not only do we simply just tell them what Islam is, but we establish it in their locality so they can see the truth working in front of their eyes.
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Indeed, we do have a concern for all disbelievers because when they die upon their disbelief, we see it as a tragedy (except in the battlefield) since their soul would be lost in the punishment of the hellfire and we might have had the ability of telling them about Islam. Even at their very last breaths, we wish to tell them: “Say, “There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is His final Messenger.”
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You wrote,
“Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God has forgiven you. Do you believe this statement??”
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No because Allah will never forgive Shirk as long as one is practicing it, and therefore, we will never forgive them nor show them a soft heart. And by the way, Allah forgives all other sins (such as adultery, theft, murder, oppression etc.) but He will never forgive Shirk as long as one dies upon it. Muse over this.
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The real discussion here is why aren’t you Muslim?
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My response to him:
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You said,:
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“What does your god hate?I wonder if you’ll even admit if he hates anything.If not, then we’ll assume that he loves prostitution, adultery, rape, alcohol, pornography, murder, oppression, cheating, stealing, and arrogance.’
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The God I worship, hates sin, and probably it is the same sin that your God hates. The main difference is that we try to live by the words of Christ and it is not our place to judge.
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There is a story in the Bible about a woman who was about to be stoned for adultery. Jesus said to the people that were about to do the stoning, “He who is without sin, cast the first stone.” The people left. Jesus said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.”
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Although we have our sins forgiven, it does not mean that we are allowed to go out and keep doing the things we were doing before we were saved. The Bible speaks against this.
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Jesus said,: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
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We believe,
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JUDGE not, that you be not judged.“For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.“And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye?“Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
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You should learn more about what Christians believe, I am trying to learn more of what Muslims believe. You might find that in some areas we are a lot alike. We like you, have a lot of people who claim to be Christians, but do not act like one.
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We are made right in God’s sight when we trust in Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, no matter who we are or what we have done..For all have sinned; all fall short of God’s glorious standard.

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Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins. For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God’s anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us.
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Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds. It is based on our faith..Faith eliminates the pride of human effort, because faith is not a work that we do. Faith exalts what God has done, not what people do. Faith admits that we cannot keep the Law, or measure up to God’s standard–we need help. Faith is based on our relationship with God, not our performance for God.
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Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.
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Paul said, (1 Cor. 4: 3-5) ” I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself..My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.”
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(vs12) We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world. Therefore I urge you to imitate me.”
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What a better example to follow?? And as I have already said, Jesus spoke on how to treat people who persecute us because of our faith. You asked me why aren’t I a Muslim. You have not shown me a reason to become a Muslim. I want joy in my life, peace and love and to be able to sing and raise my hands in praise and joy when worshiping God.
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I worship a God that I KNOW loves me. I share my faith because I want others to feel the joy that I feel. When I see Muslims worshiping in the Mosques, I never see them joyfully praising God, or singing to the Lord. Maybe I missed something. Please tell me if I have. Do you sing praises to the Lord? I never see anyone smiling while worshiping.
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You keep asking about the Mujaahideen. And if I support them and I keep answering… I would NEVER support anyone or anything that would cause one to change their faith by force, or to discriminate against someone because of their faith. That includes, anyone who tried to force YOU to change your faith, OR discriminated against you because of it.
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It is just as wrong when you try and do that to Christians, as if Christians did that to you. How is it that you ignore this fact?? I may not agree with you in what, or how you worship. But it is not my place to force you to change.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it, you want to create a Taliban style government world wide. Is that true?? If so, how is that any different than if we tried to force our views on you??
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These comments were continually erased, no matter how many times I posted them (thank goodness for the copy/paste option. I saved everything into a draft file in my email, in case you are wondering, because they have erased my comments before).

I then sent the following comment, knowing it would be read, before it was erased.
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If you are righteous in your thoughts and writings then you should not fear what the kufar has to say. If a person is not using foul language, then why would you erase what they had to say?? Are you afraid that they might influence a Muslim coming to your website?? Surely you don’t think that your opinion is so weak that it cannot stand up to remarks by someone with a differing view.
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Since you keep erasing my comments, I am left with only one thought. You are afraid of others seeing my response. You are afraid that my words might influence another Muslim. You are not as righteous as you would have others believe. Your words are false. You lie not only to yourself but to others. If this was not true, you wouldn’t be afraid of my comments.
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You are afraid, even in this old post that nobody comes too any more. What is it that causes you to erase my post?? Please answer that for me. (end of comment)
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If you are a Muslim, Ask yourself a question, Why erase those comments?? So you tell me, IF they are so righteous, why erase my comments?? That question goes out to the radicals as well.
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Tell me if you see anything offensive in those comments.

Islamist Principle of Repayment In Kind

I am really trying not to be too sarcastic. I don’t want to offend our Muslim friends, but some of this stuff really gets too me. Not to mention the fact that I don’t see a lot of Muslims, trying to not offend Christians.

Take for example, the line about idolaters…can you please tell me what idol we are worshiping?? I could say more here, but I’m not going too.

A. Jihad Against the Jews and the Crusaders

One example of this is Bin Laden’s declaration of Jihad against the Jews and Crusaders. On February 23, 1998 the London Arabic-language daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi published bin Laden’s declaration of Jihad which said that killing the Americans and their allies is a commandment for every individual Muslim. The following are excerpts of this declaration:

“Praise be to God, who brought down the Book, drives the clouds, defeats the factions, and says in His Book: When the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, take them captive, lay siege to them and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush [Qur’an 5:9]… Prayers and blessings of peace upon our Prophet Muhammad, who said: I was sent with a sword in preparation for the Day of Judgment when God alone will be worshipped with none beside him. He assigned me a livelihood under the shadow of my spear and he assigned humiliation and lowliness to those who disobey my command…

Isn’t this nice. Maybe its just me, but where I go to church, I never hear anything about killing people where ever I find them. Under ANY circumstances. Not to mention the fact that my God does not require me to do anything, to advance His appearance. Unlike Islam, which thinks it needs to “help” Imam Mahdi, by killing the Jews. Yeah. More on that later.

“Killing the Americans and their allies – both civilians and military personnel – is a commandment for every individual Muslim who can do this, in any country in which he can do this, in order to free the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Al-Haram Mosque from their grasp, and so that their armies will leave all the lands of Islam defeated and no longer a threat to any Muslim. This is in compliance with the words of Allah: ‘Fight the polytheists all together, as they fight you all together [Qur’an 9:36]’ and ‘Fight them until civil strife ceases altogether’ [Qur’an 8:39].

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Idiot, just what “threat” were we to Muslims, before this moron decided to attack us. If I was a Muslim, I would be pretty pissed off at mr. bin lyin, for the wrath he brought down on a lot of people. And for the record, we are not polytheists. As a matter of fact, since we aren’t polytheist, that kind of does away with the above listed order, doesn’t it??
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The Sheikh of Al-Azhar, Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, explained the principle of repayment in kind during a speech at an October 1999 conference of nuclear scientists from Arab countries on the future of nuclear strategy at the University of Asyut, Egypt. While stating that the Arabs should have nuclear energy but should use it only for peaceful purposes, he also quoted from the will of Caliph Abu Bakr.

Sheikh Tantawi said that the Caliph had instructed the Muslim commander Khaled ibn Al-Walid to fight the enemy with the sword if the enemy fought him with the sword and to use the spear if the enemy fought him with the spear. Sheikh Tantawi explained:

“Had Abu Bakr lived today he would have said to Khaled ibn Al-Walid: ‘If they fight you with a nuclear bomb, fight them with a nuclear bomb.’ Strength is [one] of the traits of good and wise people who know their obligation towards their God and towards their homeland, and they use this strength in order to defend their faith and their homeland. This is the Sunna that was known to the forefathers of all times, and is known to us as well.

“… Our demand that Israel join the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty does not prevent us from learning and advancing in science until we surpass it and until we act in accordance with Abu Bakr’s words to Khaled ibn Al-Walid: ‘Fight them with that with which they fight you.’ Islam welcomes any force that serves truth and religious precepts and defends the honor of men. Islamic religious law states that every despotic and aggressive power must be eradicated. It should be fought, whatever its strength, and life is decreed by Allah. If Israel has nuclear weapons, then it is the first to be doomed, because it lives in a world that does not fear death. Israel’s nuclear weapons do not frighten us; what does frighten us is [the possibility] that we will not wake up and [will] not advance. [Muslims must] welcome the use of nuclear energy for purposes of peace!” (Right, I buy that one)

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Another contradiction here, he states that, if Israel has nuclear weapons, then it is the first to be doomed, because they do not fear death. In other words, tell Israel, we don’t care about collateral damage to the Palestinians, when we use our nuclear weapons, because we don’t fear death. Then in the same sentence, says they only want nuclear energy for “peaceful” purposes. Look guys, if you want people to believe you, your going to have to do better than that.
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In addition, lets look at the statement he made saying,…”Islamic religious law states that every despotic and aggressive power must be eradicated.” GREAT, I am really happy to see that.
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I say for the next year or so, we follow the rule of Islam in how we go to war and how we fight!! What do you think?? I don’t know about you but I consider Ahmadnutjob, aggressive and despotic. Syria likes to stick its nose in Lebanon’s business too, and not in a diplomatic way. There’s Hezbollah, and hammas, in the area that are pretty aggressive too. These are some starting points anyway.
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Now, since Islam rules under a tit for tat system, (they obviously never heard of the golden rule) and we are going to operate under their rules, at least in some areas, we should be able to do the same thing to them. Right?? Since their goal is to conquer the earth and declare it for Allah, close down churches, have non-Muslims, wear a sort of yellow star, with a shaved spot on the front of their hair. Charge them a jizya tax, which some claim is for the kufar’s “protection”. No weapons, no horses, no religious jewelry, etc.
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They should readily go along with us doing the same to them, right?? That means they should have no problem if mosques get bombed. Or Muslims are robbed. Or, say, have to wear a yellow moon crescent, so we know who they are. No foot washing stations. No hijabs, or head coverings of any kind, no beards for men.
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Any questions, comments…Seriously All those who believe that it is your duty, to perform jihad, to spread Islam worldwide and with it sharia law. Lets hear from you. How does my idea grab you?? Come on there has got to be at least somebody who believes in this stuff with the guts to comment on this.
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Can we at least get some Muslims to comment, that they think the idea of doing unto others, what they don’t want done, is wrong?? The idea of jihad to further Islam, by force, is wrong, wrong, wrong. Come on, let me hear you say it.

Islamist/Jihadist Idea's on Freedom and/or Democracy part 2

In the 40’s America made a movie called “Why We Fight”, it told why we were fighting the Nazi’s and Japan, in a way that the average person could understand (in case they didn’t already know) (or was under a rock). Because then as now, there are some people out there that just don’t get it. More so now, I’m afraid.

In my opinion, it is past time for them to do the same thing NOW! I will attempt to spell it out for those who don’t understand, using the words of those we fight.

The Entire Earth Must Be Subjected to Islam

“How can [he] possibly [accept humiliation and inferiority] when he knows that his nation was created to stand at the center of leadership, at the center of hegemony and rule, at the center of ability and sacrifice? How can [he] possibly [accept humiliation and inferiority] when he knows that the [divine] rule is that the entire earth MUST be subject to the religion of Allah - not to the East, not to the West - to no ideology and to NO PATH EXCEPT for the path of Allah?…”

“As long as this Muslim knows and believes in these facts, he will not - even for a single moment - stop striving to achieve it, EVEN IF IT COSTS HIM HIS SOUL… his time, his property, and his son, as it is said, ‘Say [to the believers]: If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your wives and your kinsfolk and the worth you have acquired and the trade, the dullness of which you apprehend, and the dwellings that you fancy are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger, and striving in His cause, then wait until Allah issues His judgment. Allah guides not the disobedient people…’”

Little bit of contradiction there, who wants to lose their soul?? So what it appears he is telling the Muslim is,…you have to do this killing and general bad behavior, even if it causes you to go to Hell. Make sense to you?? I wonder how this guy would feel if we tried to do to them, what they want to do to us. Lets continue…

Part II: The Blow Against the U.S. Will Come from Where Least Expected

“…The [premises] on which we base ourselves as an organization, and on which we base our operations and our method of action, are practical and realistic… They are also scientific and [in accordance with] Islamic religious law, and they give us confidence and certainty… In writing them and in [publicly] revealing them, I do not intend to be apologetic for what was done; I lay [these arguments] before you so as to emphasize that we are continuing with our blows against the Americans and the Jews, and with attacking them, both people and installations [so as to stress] that what awaits the Americans will not, Allah willing, be less than what has already happened to them. America must prepare itself; it must go on maximum alert; … because, Allah willing, the blow will come from where they least expect it…”

Hey Americans…are you hearing this???

“America is the head of heresy in our modern world, and it leads an infidel democratic regime that is based upon separation of religion and state and on ruling the people by the people via legislating laws that contradict the way of Allah and permit what Allah has prohibited. This compels the other countries to act in accordance with the same laws in the same ways… and punishes any country [that rebels against these laws] by besieging it, and then by boycotting it. By so doing, [America] seeks to impose on the world a religion that is not Allah’s…”

The part about us punishing other countries that don’t follow our laws, is ridiculous, and not true, (in case you had any doubt). Yes we want all people to be free, yes we call for sanctions on countries that brutalize their own citizens, or their neighbors. It has nothing to do with religion. But the people we fight are too blinded with hatred, to see the real world.

We Have the Right to Kill 4 Million Americans

“We have not reached parity with them. We have the right to kill 4 million Americans - 2 million of them children - and to exile twice as many and wound and cripple hundreds of thousands. Furthermore, it is our right to fight them with chemical and biological weapons, so as to afflict them with the fatal maladies that have afflicted the Muslims because of the [Americans’] chemical and biological weapons.”

(clanking on microphone) AMERICANS…ARE YOU LISTENING???

Part I: Why We Fight the U.S.

“…Perhaps the [Islamic] nation is waiting for one Al-Qa’ida man to come out and clear up the many questions that accompany any communiqué, message, or picture [concerning September 11], to know the truth, the motives, and the goals behind the conflict with the Hubal [one of the pre-Islamic Ka’ba idols - referring to the U.S.] of our generation…”

“Why is the world surprised?! Why were millions of people astounded by what happened to America on September 11? Did the world think that anything else would happen? That something less than this would happen?!”

Hey all you who think al qaeda didn’t commit 9/11, did you hear what this guy just said??
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Al-Qa’ida spokesman Suleiman Abu Gheith, originally from Kuwait, recently posted a three-part article titled “In the Shadow of the Lances” on the website of the Center for Islamic Research and Studies

Alright kiddies, time to turn off the TV, put down the video games, get up and inform your neighbors, your friends, your family. Email this to who you know, that doesn’t understand the fight we are in. Send it to your political leaders. Tell them…YELL at them, to…WAKE UP, WAKE UP, WAKE UP!!! Your way of life is in danger!! Your life is in danger!!! Are you willing to lay down and let it happen??

HEY MUSLIMS, MUSLIMS, MUSLIMS, how is what these people are trying to do to us, ANY DIFFERENT, than if we tried to do it to you?? Where are your voices?? You riot over a cartoon, but stay silent over this?? WHY?!? Do you want to live like the Taliban??

America is the first to respond if there is a natural disaster, in your lands. Such as, the tsunami, earthquakes, etc…We give of our time and our money to help you when it is needed. What do we get in return?? Silence…

Americans would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER support anyone who tried to force their religion on you. For all our faults, our hearts are pure and giving. So why are you silent?? (crickets chirping) HELLO?!?!?!

Open Letter to Muslims

Before 9/11/2001, I didn't know anything about Islam. Since then I have learned plenty. I have learned that there is no shortage of Muslims willing to kill in the name of Islam. I have learned that they have no problem with killing other Muslims, when they don't believe the way the killers do, or are just in the way. I have learned that even though they call Christians and Jews, "People of the Book", in Muslim eyes they are all infidels/kufars and as such are worth nothing but contempt. The goal is to convert them or kill them. While Christianity is a religion of love and redemption. Islam is hate, vengeance and "awful doom".

Some Muslims will be offended by the words in this post. Maybe you should be more concerned with changing how Islam is viewed by stopping the killing. Stop all the death fatwa's. Stop beheading people and teaching children the fine art of beheading. Maybe you should stop indoctrinating little children in hate and death. Maybe you should stop trying to get 6 yr. old kids to become suicide bombers.

Some Muslims think that the war, is about us, wanting to convert all Muslims. They use this kind of talk to convince other Muslims that they are in a legitimate, worthy fight, and that Allah calls them to "protect" the faith. First of all, I believe that they Muslims that fall for this garbage are ignorant and have no real grasp of what is really going on in the world.

The west couldn't care less, about your religion. Unlike Muslim countries, the west has true freedom of religion. There is no compulsion one way or another. All are welcome to worship who they want, when they want, or not at all if that is their desire and it is all without threat. The same cannot be said about Christians in Muslim countries. If you are a Muslim and want to convert to another religion, you face death.

I am not calling you a terrorist, but I am calling on you to condemn the terrorist actions of you brother Muslims. If you cannot do that then it leads me to believe that you approve of their actions. Which is only a short step away from committing acts of violence or terror yourself, or encouraging others to do so.

I do not understand why it is so hard for Muslims to speak out against violence. Are you afraid for your safety?? Maybe you can explain it too me. And please explain why so many Muslims feel the need to kill others for not believing the way that they do. Why behead priests, and nuns and monks? Are these people deserving of that treatment?? What about beheading school girls on their way to school. What in Gods name could they have done to deserve that?? Why rape women for showing an interest in the Bible. Does your Holy book command you to do this?? Come on somebody tell me why this is OK. I really want to know.

Why do you care if someone decides to leave Islam, you call them apostates and threaten them with death. And don't try and tell me that you "care" about the soul of the apostate. Quite frankly, knowing all the garbage that is carried out in the name of Islam, it is no wonder people would want to leave it. I guess threats of death would keep them in line.

Do you really believe that this type of behavior will get people to want to become part of your religion, or respect it?? I certainly have a hard time respecting anyone who believes these things. I have posted these questions before, and have not found any honest people, willing to answer my questions. Just some indignant Muslims, that have no problem being offended by my writings, but not offended enough about their own religion to stand up and shout for the insanity to stop.

Do I hate all Muslims....NO. I hate the actions of extremest, I hate the silence of the so called "moderates". I hate the double talk of the so called "moderate" Muslim, who say one thing when in front of the camera's and says something else when he thinks only like minds are listening. I have a problem with any religion that allows their members to lie about their actions and true feelings about jihad, or anything else, to keep the "kufar" from knowing what they are doing.

I hate the kufar terminology, nothing like a religion that blatantly calls for slavery, discrimination and murder. As I have said, Christianity is based on love, and forgiveness. Islam is based on hate, discriminate, death, and "awful doom". You can cherry pick verses that are against these things, but if you look at it in context or as a whole, the Koran is all about death.

The Christian Bible says nothing about killing everybody who doesn't believe, the Bible says of enemies: "Bless them that curse you, pray for them who despitefully use you. And unto those who smack you on one cheek, offer to him the other; And if one takes away your cloak, give to him your coat also." It says to love your enemy and to pray for them. And when asked of the Lord how often to forgive those who offend you, He said "until seventy times seven" daily. And what do some Muslims do with this information?? They mock it. How you can call Jesus Christ a prophet on one hand and mock him with the other is beyond me. The Christian Bible and the Koran are polar opposites.

I learned a lot about Islam since 9/11, I learned that if I was in a position of either converting to Islam, or death...you would have to kill me. I will never understand why anyone would want to be in a religion that is so hateful. And as far as Muslims condemning the acts of terrorist....I'm sorry, I just don't see enough of it to think that you really mean it.